The Never-Ending Moment Skis Discussion (2024)

Swan song?
There were some hints at whats next in the TGR thread....

"So long, it's been good to know ya...."

To me, again, this is exciting, because it must mean that the new ski, the Contach, is so good it's a clear improvement;
it must more than complement the Commanders. And it must give the Moment folks the confidence to ditch the Commanders,
to feel that what they wanted in the Commander is still alive but improved in the Contach.

That would suit me well, as I've said, because to me, here in the Rockies, the Commanders seemed like overkill,
more precision and demand than any fat soft snow ski needs to have here.
I'm hoping that the best qualities of the Commanders are retained and improved in the Contach.

The Commanders are just being replaced with a new model that I wouldn’t be surprised is like a Countach with some metal in it.

Like ON3P when they added the Woodsman in-between the Jeffrey and Wren skis, the demand for the more traditional Wren line decreased so maybe Moment figured the same thing would occur.
August 1 is the unveiling of the new model Moment so we’ll find out then I guess!

Just picked up a pair of WC 108s and had a few questions.

1. From Luke on the TGR Moment thread:

"Skis now come with a 1 degree side bevel and a 1.5 degree base bevel.

Additionally, for 22/23 we have a new de-tuning procedure for the tips and tails. We are still de-tuning the same area but have a new machine that does the job better, faster and is more repeatable so we can ensure we are getting a solid de-tune every single time."

Does this mean I shouldn't have to detune them myself before skiing them? Reached out on their live chat and the de-tune area stops slightly before the contact point.

2. Deciding between the Attack 13s, STH 13 WTR, or STH 16 MNC. Never skied the STHs before, but have the Attacks on two pairs of skis. Thinking of trying out a new binding, but the STH 13s cost $45 CAD more, and the STH 16s cost $75 CAD more than the Attack 13s. If colour matching makes a difference, the Attacks are in yellow and red, the STH 13s are in black, and the STH 16s are red lol. I would try Pivots but honestly can't justify the price.

Appreciate the help!

nascent said:

Does this mean I shouldn't have to detune them myself before skiing them?

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This is going to be completely based on personal preference. You can either tune/detune as you typically do with your other skis, or just wait and see how they perform once you put them on snow. Keep a gummi in your pocket, and adjust as needed.

Sorry, can't help with the bindings. I run Pivots on everything.

nascent said:

Just picked up a pair of WC 108s and had a few questions.

1. From Luke on the TGR Moment thread:

"Skis now come with a 1 degree side bevel and a 1.5 degree base bevel.

Additionally, for 22/23 we have a new de-tuning procedure for the tips and tails. We are still de-tuning the same area but have a new machine that does the job better, faster and is more repeatable so we can ensure we are getting a solid de-tune every single time."

Does this mean I shouldn't have to detune them myself before skiing them? Reached out on their live chat and the de-tune area stops slightly before the contact point.

2. Deciding between the Attack 13s, STH 13 WTR, or STH 16 MNC. Never skied the STHs before, but have the Attacks on two pairs of skis. Thinking of trying out a new binding, but the STH 13s cost $45 CAD more, and the STH 16s cost $75 CAD more than the Attack 13s. If colour matching makes a difference, the Attacks are in yellow and red, the STH 13s are in black, and the STH 16s are red lol. I would try Pivots but honestly can't justify the price.

Appreciate the help!

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Welcome fellow Ontario Moment skier!

Moment(along with ON3P and Praxis) are one of the few skis out there that are factory detuned all the way down to the contact points rather than above the widest points/end of side cut like most other skis. Like any other ski, it’s always a good idea to ensure those points are perfectly smooth going with a file and then diamonds stones at a 45 degree.
Detuningabove the sidecut prevents top sheet damage when the tips/tails hit each other so always good to check that.

Again like any new ski, check the base flatness along the ski and check that the base and side bevels are uniform.

As far as the bindings go, the STH 13 are not as flat as the Attack 13 when it comes to heel Vs toe height which may or not be an issue for you. The STH 16 MNC has a slightly higher toe so will be flatter along with a beefier heel.
Another option if you wanted something different is the Strive 16 which would be flatter like the STH 16 MNC but lighter and has an auto adjusting toe piece. Some deals out there on Pivot 12s and 14s too as well. Will be very similar to the stack height and flatness of the Attacks with the added benefit of a shorter mounting template. Lots of street cred too! Haha

I’ll send you a binding contact too so you can get great deals on any binding.

ghostbird said:

Just FYI, Moment isn't ditching the commander. They're simply ending the 98 and 108 and replacing it with an even more directional 92... See a lot of talk about it going away. It's not, just changing. Which of course, makes the Countach even more a part of the discussion!

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I'm kind of excited they're offering a more front side oriented ski. As I've said before I've talked to Luke several times about making a narrower ski for those of us who generally stay on piste with occasional bursts of off piste enthusiasm.

KimJongTr1ll said:

Just in case.....

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Yes nice skis for Men. I have two pair and they ROCK! ... but the Women's options? Too few and far between in the shorter sizes. Tell them to make MORE Bellas in 152! There's a serious demand. Just try to find a pair somewhere. Friggn' Unicorns! Thank you!

Yo Momma said:

Yes nice skis for Men. I have two pair and they ROCK! ... but the Women's options? Too few and far between in the shorter sizes. Tell them to make MORE Bellas in 152! There's a serious demand. Just try to find a pair somewhere. Friggn' Unicorns! Thank you!

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Ski has a ton of rocker… why not try sizing up?

KimJongTr1ll said:

Ski has a ton of rocker… why not try sizing up?

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Yes, considered that. I sized up on my Wildcats but ended up selling them and jumping back down to 184. If we lived out west, diff story. She loved rockered and wide skis and wants NOTHING to do w/ "Dedicated Carvers" skis.... but even for East coast, tight trees, sketchy dumps, and she's over 50 so wants more control and lighter weight.... ex ballet = hips & knee issues... 152 to 168 is a huge jump even w/ rocker. I guesstimate her sweet spot would be around 155 - 157.

ski otter 2 said:

with a signature Moment feel.

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having never skis a moment, but hearing tons of hype about them, what would you say that signature moment feel is?

Dos-Equis said:

having never skis a moment, but hearing tons of hype about them, what would you say that signature moment feel is?

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I like to say versatile. Having skied a few pairs of Moments (C98, DW112). I always felt very confident making many different turn shapes…in many different snow conditions…here on the EC or even better on my trips out west…They really feel smooth, predictable, chargeable, slarveable on/off piste…and the DW is a great tree ski.

FWIW….The only conditions they didn’t like was coral reef…but that sucks for most everything/everyone…..those days are for a different type of ski/ or an early day in the bar.

I am planning for a DW104 this fall…

BC. said:

I like to say versatile. Having skied a few pairs of Moments (C98, DW112). I always felt very confident making many different turn shapes…in many different snow conditions…here on the EC or even better on my trips out west…They really feel smooth, predictable, chargeable, slarveable on/off piste…and the DW is a great tree ski.

FWIW….The only conditions they didn’t like was coral reef…but that sucks for most everything/everyone…..those days are for a different type of ski/ or a early day in the bar.

I am planning for a DW104 this fall…

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This is a great way to put it.

I have a pretty broad Moment Quiver and they all have their own feel. But I think the biggest thing I take away is the quality of the build and the amount of pop and energy I can get out of them.

Quiver:
Meridian
Countach
Commander
DW
Chipotle banana

Adding a 104 and hopefully a ghost train this season.

BC. said:

I like to say versatile. Having skied a few pairs of Moments (C98, DW112). I always felt very confident making many different turn shapes…in many different snow conditions…here on the EC or even better on my trips out west…They really feel smooth, predictable, chargeable, slarveable on/off piste…and the DW is a great tree ski.

FWIW….The only conditions they didn’t like was coral reef…but that sucks for most everything/everyone…..those days are for a different type of ski/ or an early day in the bar.

I am planning for a DW104 this fall…

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I don't think Moment has a signature feel per se as each model skis pretty differently from each other.

I am glad I had a chance to demo their skis. I really enjoy the Deathwish in soft snow, but do not like it in firm conditions. I greatly prefer the Wildcat which is stiffer than the DW. Most people I know have a strong preference for either the DW or the Wildcat, but not both.

Wasatchman said:

I don't think Moment has a signature feel per se as each model skis pretty differently from each other.

I am glad I had a chance to demo their skis. I really enjoy the Deathwish in soft snow, but do not like it in firm conditions. I greatly prefer the Wildcat which is stiffer than the DW. Most people I know have a strong preference for either the DW or the Wildcat, but not both.

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I really enjoy both the Kitty and the Deathwish, but I would agree that people definitely have their favorites.

All Moments models have their own feels and prefer to be skied in certain ways.

That said... The DW is still their top selling ski and the triple camber is definitely a different feel.